I agree, in general. but wonder if it's really stereotyping when we're talking about culture, especially that of another country? Immigrants bring their cultures with them. Over the last couple of centuries we've learned and embraced other cultures because they aren't against our own Western values. In other instances, we've had to fight cultures that are in opposition to our own.
I remember a TV ad for a real estate seminar in which the speaker stated something close to "watch what the unsuccessful people do and then don't do that." A culture in which women are considered inferior to others--read Sura 2:228--is an inferior culture.
Like the Antebellum Southern "cracker culture" that emanated from the old cracker culture in Northern England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland? For example, castration was practiced during mutual combat.
I agree! Trump makes me so mad when he makes wild and irresponsible statements like he did in the debate about eating cats. There was one report of a mentally deranged person far from Springfield who ate a cat, but that isn't relevant. Even if his statement was true, people who don't like him in the first place will take it the wrong way, especially when it is said in such a nasty tone.
People from a different culture probably can't understand why a duck or a goose should not be eaten. Why not?! Ducks and geese are good food! In Haitian Voodoo, animal sacrifices are real, but that was not what Trump was referring to.
What was unfair though, was that the moderators continually fact checked Trump, although they were wrong in what they said, and then allowed Kamala's deceitful lies to stand. Those of us who are interested in searching it out will be safe, but a lot of people just hear what was said and never seek the truth. It is the rhetoric that wins with most people, not the facts.
YES! Blaming an entire group is never the answer. Culture is an important factor, but you can't talk about a culture you don't know entirely. Haitians who do that practice Voodoo, not all Haitians do though. I know culturally Venezuelans are a certain way, but I'm an individual and I don't do everything my culture does. The individual is the most important minority and we should remember to protect that minority.
I point readers to an essay authored by Walter Williams titled "Non-politically Correct Thinking."
It was no less than Jesse Jackson who once stated the following “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” That would be the very same Jesse Jackson who got caught saying on a hot mic that he would like to cut Obama's nuts off for talking down to black people. It isn't talking down to anyone to point out that fathers matter. When more than 50% of black children are raised in single-parents home it is fair to ask "is that now part of the culture?" Obama's famous but controversial "Father's Day Speech" was on the money.
Asian-Americans are crushing it in the U.S. Logic dictates we should acknowledge that cultural traits more prevalent in that culture explain the comparatively excellent achievement.
My first impulsive thought is to answer your question in full caps. NEVER. The answer is simply never.
But I could write a book this morning about the issue if I had a year of mornings to waste writing a book that would be immediately critiqued as being written by a stereotypical boomer. I would write that we are all first, foremost, above all other adjectives, individuals, and to be stereotyped by our sex or skin or religion is an immediate attack on our individuality. Attacked at birth before we even have language to express our individual needs and wants.
I haven't heard anyone make blanket statements about Haitians with talking about this issue. Haitians do eat cats. It's a fact. Are recent immigrants doing it here now during a time when we've had the floodgates open to any and all comers? Very plausible, and it's an example of why any nation needs to control its borders and the flow of people coming and going. It's also reasonable to not want to import cultural practices we find unacceptable. This is not the top issue, but it's yet another example of the seemingly deliberate destruction of the country and its commonly held values, so it deserves mention. Of course it's being misconstrued by corporate media who runs cover for the regime. No surprise there.
If you haven't heard blanket statements then you haven't been listening to Trump or JD Vance at all. "Fascist Marxist Communist Vermin" sometimes all in one breath. JD Vance claims that there's no proof that there's no proof. Well, the same can be said about his sexual relationships with couches.
"Haitians do eat cats. It's a fact." 1. Based on what evidence? 2. In what context? (ie, Haiti is a struggling nation and people will eat ANYTHING to survive when they are legit starving, that doesn't mean it's a preferred food or even a part of their culture)
The woman who put the FB post up took it down because she didn't have evidence to support it.
"Plausible," based on what reasoning or information? Local police already investigated. Think about it for just one second: Why would people move somewhere to escape trouble only to deliberately cause trouble and scare the people there? It makes no sense. There's already a lot of scrutiny on newcomers.
"Seemingly-deliberate destruction of the country" based on what? What about the fact that those Haitians are there LEGALLY because they are filling jobs that others don't want to do? What about the fact that Trump and Vance have not denounced the KKK/Proud Boys or bomb threats, but still double down on the lies? What about the fact that these claims have already been investigated by local law enforcement? Yes the influx of legal immigrants contributing to the local economy is causing challenges eg with driving laws, safety and infrastructure, but Trump/Vance aren't highlighting the REAL challenges. Instead they are making baseless claims to distract from the real issues and demonize people who don't deserve to be demonized.
I agree we need border controls (Trump torpedo'd that bill), but it sounds like MAGA is rotting your brain with disinformation and you're top seed in the race to the bottom of the brainstem. Just because the corporate media has major issues doesn't mean that Trump and Vance are paragons of truth. They are full of BS and spewing it everywhere they go. Far far worse than the corporate media (believe me I'd never thought I'd say that, but here we are, strange times). This isn't a left vs right issue. This is a democracy vs autocracy issue, and MAGA/Trump is just another front in the global struggle.
Jeez, I could get this exact same take on any corporate media outfit which you admit doesn't tell the truth. Makes me wonder why you are here.
The "proof" of Haitians having a tradition of eating cats can be found on the internet with a little digging. Protip: it helps if you limit search results to a timeframe before this big propaganda push to discredit this story. You can also find video of a man biting the neck of a living cat to suck that powerful blood out. It's disgusting. I couldn't finish watching. Maybe you've heard the saying that Haiti is 70% Catholic, 30% Protestant, and 100& Voodoo.
Were you aware of how desperately poor and effed-up Haiti is? They eat dirt cookies for peace's sake. The behaviour of refugees is going to reflect that mass trauma. It's not a surprise that it's not going to jibe with our own ideas of what's acceptable.
I'm also curious how the logic works out for this new talking point that MSM lies but Trump et al lie worse. I think you need to go back to the drawing board on that one.
Even if you DID find one video of a Haitian eating a cat, it says nothing about "traditions and culture." Plenty of Americans and white people have eaten cats too. Doesn't make them representatives of their race or nationality...
Thank you for avoiding my questions. You can find all sorts of BS on the internet, moreso with you adding to it here by recycling and promoting a decades old racist trope mixed with flimsy evidence and misleading shock videos that do not prove anything other than your contagious willingness to be emotionally manipulated.
Yet another victim of fear + hatred + poor logical reasoning skills who would rather throw an entire population under the bus than challenge the latest and greatest idiocy of your cult leader.
If this was an actual issue it would have come up LONG before Trump royally flubbed the debate and proved himself incompetent. But that's just another conspiracy isn't it? And now the Republican Governor of Ohio is in on it too, huh?
Meanwhile, as the Republican mayor has said, this racist campaign scare tactic is distracting from the fact that the town needs help with infrastructure and translation to help with the influx of new workers.
Get your head out of the gutter and start helping or at least STFU with your cocksure parroting of idiotic accusations.
Maybe go pet Miss Sassy a little to bring yourself back to reality?
Quick response. Must've been a slow day at the troll farm.
The amount of energy being spent by the System on this issue is telling. It must be a vulnerability for them. They have to frame this as yet another example of mean MAGA's racism to try to drive a wedge between people and keep black people voting Democrat.
It's not that I disagree with the main point of the article. Of course it matters how we talk about each other as Ethan's comments clearly demonstrate, but the Springfield thing is not a case in point. The real story here is that it's another example of "officials" not giving a crap about tax-payers citizens and instead those tax-payers' money to people that aren't even legal residents when people are struggling with massive inflation.
This all started when the impassioned please of residents went viral on the internet, and what did said "officials" do? They gaslit the residents and the world, and corporate media and Establishment politicos did the same. Instead of addressing the concerns of constituents, they used it to score political points.
This is one reason why Trump is so popular. He listens and works to do something about the problem!
No one said anything about ALL Haitians except Ethan. No one assumes we are talking about every person from Haiti or of Haitian descent. Anyone can do a little search-engine work and find that the tradition I was referring to is called Réveillon which is a separate thing from the Voodoo practice of drinking the blood of a living cat.
As others have said, this is about culture not race. It's also about addressing the very real problems caused by the unfettered flood of illegal immigration that the regime has facilitated.
Don't change the subject. You made and perpetuated false claims that have caused real world harm. Own them or at least shut up.
1. The woman who filed a police report accusing her neighbors of taking her cat apologized to her neighbors
2. The woman who posted on facebook took down her post and apologized for her role in perpetuating rumors and hearsay as fact
3. The black dude who spoke about it at city hall did the same, expressed regret for spreading rumors that detracted from the real problem
4. The neo-nazis perpetuating claims haven't apologized or backed down yet. They are having a field day, in large part bc of people like you.
5. This is a problem of integration, infrastructure and economic development. Haitians were recruited to Springfield (legally) as workers for jobs that needed them, and they are paying taxes and contributing to the economy. But it was done too quickly and without enough support for the additional infrastructure and services needed to help with integration, which has led to eg some driving incidents including an unfortunate loss of life.
6. The family of the child killed in one such incident do not want him being used as a last minute racist political stunt. Harris has complied with that request, Trump has not. Where were you months and months ago when this was an issue? Seems to me you responded obediently to the dog whistle.
The real issues are slowly and steadily being addressed. It takes time and is a bumpy road. Trump and Vance had plenty of opportunity to bring it up earlier and advocate for support. But when did they ever do that? When did they ever even try to honestly discuss the real issues facing Springfield? Instead late in the game Vance perpetuated a sick lie that is a tired old well-trodden racist trope that rears its ugly head every few years in favor of people who prefer to foster fear over real vision and leadership, even after the city officials confirmed to him the rumors were completely unsubstantiated.
Your belabored apologist stance to Trump and Vance's dog whistling speaks volumes about your personal values.
I agree, in general. but wonder if it's really stereotyping when we're talking about culture, especially that of another country? Immigrants bring their cultures with them. Over the last couple of centuries we've learned and embraced other cultures because they aren't against our own Western values. In other instances, we've had to fight cultures that are in opposition to our own.
I don't think what you said is in disagreement with the writer
I remember a TV ad for a real estate seminar in which the speaker stated something close to "watch what the unsuccessful people do and then don't do that." A culture in which women are considered inferior to others--read Sura 2:228--is an inferior culture.
The origins of the ku klux klan burning crosses came from the Celtics.
Like the Antebellum Southern "cracker culture" that emanated from the old cracker culture in Northern England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland? For example, castration was practiced during mutual combat.
I agree! Trump makes me so mad when he makes wild and irresponsible statements like he did in the debate about eating cats. There was one report of a mentally deranged person far from Springfield who ate a cat, but that isn't relevant. Even if his statement was true, people who don't like him in the first place will take it the wrong way, especially when it is said in such a nasty tone.
People from a different culture probably can't understand why a duck or a goose should not be eaten. Why not?! Ducks and geese are good food! In Haitian Voodoo, animal sacrifices are real, but that was not what Trump was referring to.
What was unfair though, was that the moderators continually fact checked Trump, although they were wrong in what they said, and then allowed Kamala's deceitful lies to stand. Those of us who are interested in searching it out will be safe, but a lot of people just hear what was said and never seek the truth. It is the rhetoric that wins with most people, not the facts.
YES! Blaming an entire group is never the answer. Culture is an important factor, but you can't talk about a culture you don't know entirely. Haitians who do that practice Voodoo, not all Haitians do though. I know culturally Venezuelans are a certain way, but I'm an individual and I don't do everything my culture does. The individual is the most important minority and we should remember to protect that minority.
Thank you
I point readers to an essay authored by Walter Williams titled "Non-politically Correct Thinking."
It was no less than Jesse Jackson who once stated the following “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” That would be the very same Jesse Jackson who got caught saying on a hot mic that he would like to cut Obama's nuts off for talking down to black people. It isn't talking down to anyone to point out that fathers matter. When more than 50% of black children are raised in single-parents home it is fair to ask "is that now part of the culture?" Obama's famous but controversial "Father's Day Speech" was on the money.
Asian-Americans are crushing it in the U.S. Logic dictates we should acknowledge that cultural traits more prevalent in that culture explain the comparatively excellent achievement.
Why would anyone have a "preferred identity group"? If you want to get serious we need to drop this as a thing.
https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/heritage-explains/how-identify-critical-race-theory
“When is stereotyping acceptable”?
My first impulsive thought is to answer your question in full caps. NEVER. The answer is simply never.
But I could write a book this morning about the issue if I had a year of mornings to waste writing a book that would be immediately critiqued as being written by a stereotypical boomer. I would write that we are all first, foremost, above all other adjectives, individuals, and to be stereotyped by our sex or skin or religion is an immediate attack on our individuality. Attacked at birth before we even have language to express our individual needs and wants.
I haven't heard anyone make blanket statements about Haitians with talking about this issue. Haitians do eat cats. It's a fact. Are recent immigrants doing it here now during a time when we've had the floodgates open to any and all comers? Very plausible, and it's an example of why any nation needs to control its borders and the flow of people coming and going. It's also reasonable to not want to import cultural practices we find unacceptable. This is not the top issue, but it's yet another example of the seemingly deliberate destruction of the country and its commonly held values, so it deserves mention. Of course it's being misconstrued by corporate media who runs cover for the regime. No surprise there.
If you haven't heard blanket statements then you haven't been listening to Trump or JD Vance at all. "Fascist Marxist Communist Vermin" sometimes all in one breath. JD Vance claims that there's no proof that there's no proof. Well, the same can be said about his sexual relationships with couches.
"Haitians do eat cats. It's a fact." 1. Based on what evidence? 2. In what context? (ie, Haiti is a struggling nation and people will eat ANYTHING to survive when they are legit starving, that doesn't mean it's a preferred food or even a part of their culture)
The woman who put the FB post up took it down because she didn't have evidence to support it.
"Plausible," based on what reasoning or information? Local police already investigated. Think about it for just one second: Why would people move somewhere to escape trouble only to deliberately cause trouble and scare the people there? It makes no sense. There's already a lot of scrutiny on newcomers.
"Seemingly-deliberate destruction of the country" based on what? What about the fact that those Haitians are there LEGALLY because they are filling jobs that others don't want to do? What about the fact that Trump and Vance have not denounced the KKK/Proud Boys or bomb threats, but still double down on the lies? What about the fact that these claims have already been investigated by local law enforcement? Yes the influx of legal immigrants contributing to the local economy is causing challenges eg with driving laws, safety and infrastructure, but Trump/Vance aren't highlighting the REAL challenges. Instead they are making baseless claims to distract from the real issues and demonize people who don't deserve to be demonized.
I agree we need border controls (Trump torpedo'd that bill), but it sounds like MAGA is rotting your brain with disinformation and you're top seed in the race to the bottom of the brainstem. Just because the corporate media has major issues doesn't mean that Trump and Vance are paragons of truth. They are full of BS and spewing it everywhere they go. Far far worse than the corporate media (believe me I'd never thought I'd say that, but here we are, strange times). This isn't a left vs right issue. This is a democracy vs autocracy issue, and MAGA/Trump is just another front in the global struggle.
Jeez, I could get this exact same take on any corporate media outfit which you admit doesn't tell the truth. Makes me wonder why you are here.
The "proof" of Haitians having a tradition of eating cats can be found on the internet with a little digging. Protip: it helps if you limit search results to a timeframe before this big propaganda push to discredit this story. You can also find video of a man biting the neck of a living cat to suck that powerful blood out. It's disgusting. I couldn't finish watching. Maybe you've heard the saying that Haiti is 70% Catholic, 30% Protestant, and 100& Voodoo.
Were you aware of how desperately poor and effed-up Haiti is? They eat dirt cookies for peace's sake. The behaviour of refugees is going to reflect that mass trauma. It's not a surprise that it's not going to jibe with our own ideas of what's acceptable.
I'm also curious how the logic works out for this new talking point that MSM lies but Trump et al lie worse. I think you need to go back to the drawing board on that one.
Even if you DID find one video of a Haitian eating a cat, it says nothing about "traditions and culture." Plenty of Americans and white people have eaten cats too. Doesn't make them representatives of their race or nationality...
Thank you for avoiding my questions. You can find all sorts of BS on the internet, moreso with you adding to it here by recycling and promoting a decades old racist trope mixed with flimsy evidence and misleading shock videos that do not prove anything other than your contagious willingness to be emotionally manipulated.
Yet another victim of fear + hatred + poor logical reasoning skills who would rather throw an entire population under the bus than challenge the latest and greatest idiocy of your cult leader.
If this was an actual issue it would have come up LONG before Trump royally flubbed the debate and proved himself incompetent. But that's just another conspiracy isn't it? And now the Republican Governor of Ohio is in on it too, huh?
Meanwhile, as the Republican mayor has said, this racist campaign scare tactic is distracting from the fact that the town needs help with infrastructure and translation to help with the influx of new workers.
Get your head out of the gutter and start helping or at least STFU with your cocksure parroting of idiotic accusations.
Maybe go pet Miss Sassy a little to bring yourself back to reality?
Quick response. Must've been a slow day at the troll farm.
The amount of energy being spent by the System on this issue is telling. It must be a vulnerability for them. They have to frame this as yet another example of mean MAGA's racism to try to drive a wedge between people and keep black people voting Democrat.
It's not that I disagree with the main point of the article. Of course it matters how we talk about each other as Ethan's comments clearly demonstrate, but the Springfield thing is not a case in point. The real story here is that it's another example of "officials" not giving a crap about tax-payers citizens and instead those tax-payers' money to people that aren't even legal residents when people are struggling with massive inflation.
This all started when the impassioned please of residents went viral on the internet, and what did said "officials" do? They gaslit the residents and the world, and corporate media and Establishment politicos did the same. Instead of addressing the concerns of constituents, they used it to score political points.
This is one reason why Trump is so popular. He listens and works to do something about the problem!
No one said anything about ALL Haitians except Ethan. No one assumes we are talking about every person from Haiti or of Haitian descent. Anyone can do a little search-engine work and find that the tradition I was referring to is called Réveillon which is a separate thing from the Voodoo practice of drinking the blood of a living cat.
As others have said, this is about culture not race. It's also about addressing the very real problems caused by the unfettered flood of illegal immigration that the regime has facilitated.
You in your OP: "Haitians do eat cats. It's a fact."
Also you: "no one said anything at all about Haitians except Ethan"
I have to hand it to you, you make dishonesty look effortless. Congratulations, I guess.
Don't change the subject. You made and perpetuated false claims that have caused real world harm. Own them or at least shut up.
1. The woman who filed a police report accusing her neighbors of taking her cat apologized to her neighbors
2. The woman who posted on facebook took down her post and apologized for her role in perpetuating rumors and hearsay as fact
3. The black dude who spoke about it at city hall did the same, expressed regret for spreading rumors that detracted from the real problem
4. The neo-nazis perpetuating claims haven't apologized or backed down yet. They are having a field day, in large part bc of people like you.
5. This is a problem of integration, infrastructure and economic development. Haitians were recruited to Springfield (legally) as workers for jobs that needed them, and they are paying taxes and contributing to the economy. But it was done too quickly and without enough support for the additional infrastructure and services needed to help with integration, which has led to eg some driving incidents including an unfortunate loss of life.
6. The family of the child killed in one such incident do not want him being used as a last minute racist political stunt. Harris has complied with that request, Trump has not. Where were you months and months ago when this was an issue? Seems to me you responded obediently to the dog whistle.
The real issues are slowly and steadily being addressed. It takes time and is a bumpy road. Trump and Vance had plenty of opportunity to bring it up earlier and advocate for support. But when did they ever do that? When did they ever even try to honestly discuss the real issues facing Springfield? Instead late in the game Vance perpetuated a sick lie that is a tired old well-trodden racist trope that rears its ugly head every few years in favor of people who prefer to foster fear over real vision and leadership, even after the city officials confirmed to him the rumors were completely unsubstantiated.
Your belabored apologist stance to Trump and Vance's dog whistling speaks volumes about your personal values.