Listeners may wish to check out “The Heresy of the Roman Catholic Church” on G-3’s podcast to get a deeper understanding of Mr. Walker and his belief system, where, among many other things, Mr. Walker denounces Pope Francis as a “woke” leftist.
Most ignore the “protest” of the Protestant Reformation. If we believe in Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, Sola Scriptura, and Soli Deo Gloria we would have to recognize Rome as an apostate church and the pope as an Antichrist.
Council of Trent Canon 10 (Catholic Church) is clear that if you believe that justification (salvation) is by grace alone through faith alone you are condemned (anathema).
While the proclamation of Rome during the Council of Trent was condemning, the current pope and his cultural positions are further proof that Rome is apostate.
The problem with Christian Nationalism is not just the nationalism, which you rightfully find fault with, but the Christian aspect as well. While most Americans were Christian at the founding, American was not founded as a Christian nation, but rather as a nation where all religions (and the irreligious, pace Jefferson) hold an equal place. That was the FOUNDATION, in reaction to 250 years of religious war in Europe. That is America. If you wish to re-establish America as based on religious beliefs, in the style of religiously based governments in much of the Muslim world, that is your (seriously misguided) right as as American. But expect vociferous pushback from those, like myself, who believe Church and State are both stronger when separated.
And because most of the men involved with the founding of our country were Christian their views, public policy and our Constitutional were based on the Christian influence the bible offered. If they were Muslim our country would be influence by the Koran and Sharia law. Therefore you can't deny the Judeo-Christian influence, nor count as misguided when people say they want that influence to return. I believe you are the one misguided about the separation of Church and State. The argument was to keep the state from officially determining a Religious faith like the church of England. It was not that the church wouldn't have influence on the state. And for the most part the thought was about denominations of Christianity. Today we are fighting against secular humanist (Atheists) want to abolish any religious influence of any kind. That's not how America was founded and people like me will vociferously pushback against people who try to negate our influence.
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Wow, what an engaging podcast! And Virgil, I love your bowtie! :)
I listened to four or five episodes yesterday during a ten hour auto tour - listening to FBT, jamming along to my Spotify tunes, and communing with God - meaning to comment on all of them, and I realized I had better start on those comments before I end up hopelessly conflating the lot of them. So I listened to yours a few hours ago and now I wish to offer my three cents while this presentation is still fresh in my mind.
I find myself agreeing with everything you say - except for two notable exceptions, which I'll get to in a moment. But I have to admit, I have no familiarity with the term, "White Christian Nationalism." I imagine I have heard it before but not so that it stuck with me. I really try to stay away from all this esoteric vocabulary that idealogues invent. Because while the idealogues think they're being profound with the language, they really ain't sayin' jack.
And I certainly understand the concept, as you laid it out. It sounds like Klan ideology to me; remember, they rode ostensibly in defense of the Cross. This is just a modern way of spewing that same old nonsense.
Virgil, I too take great pains to dialogue with everyone. I have been labeled Republican and I've been labeled Leftist, depending on which particular knucklehead I'm engaging at any particular moment. When truly, all I am is Mark. Or I should say: Mark, child of God. I have to say, though, you may be one of the few who take more pains than I to give the other the benefit of many doubts. I think the author you quoted at length is very much a bigot - and I pray he is yet reachable by you and others like us.
You present as a fundamentally good man, which is believe is much more admirable and needed in this world than a great man. A man of solid values and convictions. That you boasted you are consistent in the application of these convictions is a value in short supply among those who would dare to persuade and lead us. It may even be non-existent among such people. Stand firm, my Brother!
So, two quibbles. Trump is not in any way a boon to the Christian faith, but some of his policies may come to benefit - and indeed, have benefited - men and women of faith, nonetheless.
And pineapple on pizza is essential!
Oh yeah... What is that phrase you keep using? Cape up?
Listeners may wish to check out “The Heresy of the Roman Catholic Church” on G-3’s podcast to get a deeper understanding of Mr. Walker and his belief system, where, among many other things, Mr. Walker denounces Pope Francis as a “woke” leftist.
Most ignore the “protest” of the Protestant Reformation. If we believe in Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, Sola Scriptura, and Soli Deo Gloria we would have to recognize Rome as an apostate church and the pope as an Antichrist.
Council of Trent Canon 10 (Catholic Church) is clear that if you believe that justification (salvation) is by grace alone through faith alone you are condemned (anathema).
While the proclamation of Rome during the Council of Trent was condemning, the current pope and his cultural positions are further proof that Rome is apostate.
The problem with Christian Nationalism is not just the nationalism, which you rightfully find fault with, but the Christian aspect as well. While most Americans were Christian at the founding, American was not founded as a Christian nation, but rather as a nation where all religions (and the irreligious, pace Jefferson) hold an equal place. That was the FOUNDATION, in reaction to 250 years of religious war in Europe. That is America. If you wish to re-establish America as based on religious beliefs, in the style of religiously based governments in much of the Muslim world, that is your (seriously misguided) right as as American. But expect vociferous pushback from those, like myself, who believe Church and State are both stronger when separated.
And because most of the men involved with the founding of our country were Christian their views, public policy and our Constitutional were based on the Christian influence the bible offered. If they were Muslim our country would be influence by the Koran and Sharia law. Therefore you can't deny the Judeo-Christian influence, nor count as misguided when people say they want that influence to return. I believe you are the one misguided about the separation of Church and State. The argument was to keep the state from officially determining a Religious faith like the church of England. It was not that the church wouldn't have influence on the state. And for the most part the thought was about denominations of Christianity. Today we are fighting against secular humanist (Atheists) want to abolish any religious influence of any kind. That's not how America was founded and people like me will vociferously pushback against people who try to negate our influence.
Wow, what an engaging podcast! And Virgil, I love your bowtie! :)
I listened to four or five episodes yesterday during a ten hour auto tour - listening to FBT, jamming along to my Spotify tunes, and communing with God - meaning to comment on all of them, and I realized I had better start on those comments before I end up hopelessly conflating the lot of them. So I listened to yours a few hours ago and now I wish to offer my three cents while this presentation is still fresh in my mind.
I find myself agreeing with everything you say - except for two notable exceptions, which I'll get to in a moment. But I have to admit, I have no familiarity with the term, "White Christian Nationalism." I imagine I have heard it before but not so that it stuck with me. I really try to stay away from all this esoteric vocabulary that idealogues invent. Because while the idealogues think they're being profound with the language, they really ain't sayin' jack.
And I certainly understand the concept, as you laid it out. It sounds like Klan ideology to me; remember, they rode ostensibly in defense of the Cross. This is just a modern way of spewing that same old nonsense.
Virgil, I too take great pains to dialogue with everyone. I have been labeled Republican and I've been labeled Leftist, depending on which particular knucklehead I'm engaging at any particular moment. When truly, all I am is Mark. Or I should say: Mark, child of God. I have to say, though, you may be one of the few who take more pains than I to give the other the benefit of many doubts. I think the author you quoted at length is very much a bigot - and I pray he is yet reachable by you and others like us.
You present as a fundamentally good man, which is believe is much more admirable and needed in this world than a great man. A man of solid values and convictions. That you boasted you are consistent in the application of these convictions is a value in short supply among those who would dare to persuade and lead us. It may even be non-existent among such people. Stand firm, my Brother!
So, two quibbles. Trump is not in any way a boon to the Christian faith, but some of his policies may come to benefit - and indeed, have benefited - men and women of faith, nonetheless.
And pineapple on pizza is essential!
Oh yeah... What is that phrase you keep using? Cape up?
Peace. Be good to yourself.