Some constructive responses. First, it would be interesting to compare cross-sectional data (which this study appears to rely on) with longitudinal data. There is research in Germany taking this more challenging type of study. That study looks at the perception of discrimination among migrants to Germany and why most groups reflect less egregious discrimination while one group (Turks) persist over time, especially those who are more educated. How Often Have You Felt Disadvantaged? Explaining Perceived Discrimination, Claudia Diehl, Elisabeth Liebau, Peter Mühlau. 7 March 2021. Related to this research is how LWA beliefs is embedded in the argument about the legacy of slavery and whether associated beliefs do not ameliorate with substantial civil rights reforms. The RWA belief structure is tied into relatively concurrent time policies and reactions (lockdown policies and protests). One might ask ‘so what?’ Perhaps LWA beliefs are more resistant to change – that is, more stubborn to the RWA – with respect to the specific events/policies cited. Are both equally stubborn with respect to historical forces at work in U.S. society. A second concern relates to research conducted by economists such as Roland Fryer Jr. and Glenn Loury. Their statistical measures call out for a dialogue with these belief structures. In addition, leaders may be out of sync with the community they ostensibly represent such as noted in the call for defunding the police growing out of BLM protests and Gallup Poll measures that find substantial disagreement with such a policy in the black community. My thought is that Byll has a bright future for bringing all these strands together. Right now, we have Humpty-Dumpty pieces of belief, perception, statistics, polls and policies that are designed to put Humpty Dumpty back together again; so far, Humpty Dumpty is still broken.
Brett Byll responds: "Thank you, I appreciate your in-depth engagement with the article. While LWA beliefs may be embedded within the argument about the legacy of slavery, as you mentioned, I will note that RWA beliefs are not necessarily tied to only lockdown beliefs and protests. RWA is tied to the concept of trusting and protecting the established social hierarchies, and remains the inverse to LWA’s opposition to the same.
It would be interesting to add questions to a replicatory or follow-up study that looks for connections between perceptions of slavery’s legacy, as well as the relevance of Civil Rights movements, both generally and pertaining to specific events within America, and how these perceptions directly impact willingness to support or oppose peaceful or violent protest on either end of the political spectrum."
I would be interested in seeing correlations between class/income and support for violent protests. I suspect that those from higher income / privilege are more prone to authoritarianism on either side of the spectrum.
Brett Byll responds: "Agreed. I would be interested to see whether those who are lower in socio-economic status would be more inclined towards violent protest, and for what reasons. I would suspect they would be, because violence is a last-resort due to weakened trust in the existing systems of power and change."
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Maybe. Except we know - at least anecdotally, but with some persistence - that many of the "BLM" protestors were in fact white young adults from affluent backgrounds. We even had the African American mayor of Atlanta asking white parents to call their adult children home from the protests.
We've seen this entitlement / authoritariasm link before, in the sociioeconomic background of the Saudis involved with the 9/11 attack - most came from wealthy families, and had become radicalized.
Anyway, would be interesting to if either of our suppositions prove true - or both. Or neither. :)
This largely reflects my anecdotal experience amongst friends and acquaintances here in WA state along the Puget Sound. We have a strong Antifa presence and suffered from the destruction and deaths as well. Thanks for doing this research and I look forward to seeing the other information when it is released.
Thanks very much for the reply. My concern is sample size, and whether the sample was self-selected. Z-score, P-value and confidence are very important.
Some constructive responses. First, it would be interesting to compare cross-sectional data (which this study appears to rely on) with longitudinal data. There is research in Germany taking this more challenging type of study. That study looks at the perception of discrimination among migrants to Germany and why most groups reflect less egregious discrimination while one group (Turks) persist over time, especially those who are more educated. How Often Have You Felt Disadvantaged? Explaining Perceived Discrimination, Claudia Diehl, Elisabeth Liebau, Peter Mühlau. 7 March 2021. Related to this research is how LWA beliefs is embedded in the argument about the legacy of slavery and whether associated beliefs do not ameliorate with substantial civil rights reforms. The RWA belief structure is tied into relatively concurrent time policies and reactions (lockdown policies and protests). One might ask ‘so what?’ Perhaps LWA beliefs are more resistant to change – that is, more stubborn to the RWA – with respect to the specific events/policies cited. Are both equally stubborn with respect to historical forces at work in U.S. society. A second concern relates to research conducted by economists such as Roland Fryer Jr. and Glenn Loury. Their statistical measures call out for a dialogue with these belief structures. In addition, leaders may be out of sync with the community they ostensibly represent such as noted in the call for defunding the police growing out of BLM protests and Gallup Poll measures that find substantial disagreement with such a policy in the black community. My thought is that Byll has a bright future for bringing all these strands together. Right now, we have Humpty-Dumpty pieces of belief, perception, statistics, polls and policies that are designed to put Humpty Dumpty back together again; so far, Humpty Dumpty is still broken.
Brett Byll responds: "Thank you, I appreciate your in-depth engagement with the article. While LWA beliefs may be embedded within the argument about the legacy of slavery, as you mentioned, I will note that RWA beliefs are not necessarily tied to only lockdown beliefs and protests. RWA is tied to the concept of trusting and protecting the established social hierarchies, and remains the inverse to LWA’s opposition to the same.
It would be interesting to add questions to a replicatory or follow-up study that looks for connections between perceptions of slavery’s legacy, as well as the relevance of Civil Rights movements, both generally and pertaining to specific events within America, and how these perceptions directly impact willingness to support or oppose peaceful or violent protest on either end of the political spectrum."
I would be interested in seeing correlations between class/income and support for violent protests. I suspect that those from higher income / privilege are more prone to authoritarianism on either side of the spectrum.
Brett Byll responds: "Agreed. I would be interested to see whether those who are lower in socio-economic status would be more inclined towards violent protest, and for what reasons. I would suspect they would be, because violence is a last-resort due to weakened trust in the existing systems of power and change."
Maybe. Except we know - at least anecdotally, but with some persistence - that many of the "BLM" protestors were in fact white young adults from affluent backgrounds. We even had the African American mayor of Atlanta asking white parents to call their adult children home from the protests.
We've seen this entitlement / authoritariasm link before, in the sociioeconomic background of the Saudis involved with the 9/11 attack - most came from wealthy families, and had become radicalized.
Anyway, would be interesting to if either of our suppositions prove true - or both. Or neither. :)
This largely reflects my anecdotal experience amongst friends and acquaintances here in WA state along the Puget Sound. We have a strong Antifa presence and suffered from the destruction and deaths as well. Thanks for doing this research and I look forward to seeing the other information when it is released.
Brett Byll responds: "Thank you for reading."
Where can we look at your supporting data?
We're discussing the possibility of making that available with the author!
Thanks very much for the reply. My concern is sample size, and whether the sample was self-selected. Z-score, P-value and confidence are very important.
Brett Byll responds: "Thank you for reading. Hope you find the supporting data to be of use. Here they are: https://bit.ly/3oNTNJd "
Thanks very much for providing this! I look forward to reviewing it!
Very interesting. Thank you.
Brett Byll responds: "Thank you for reading."