I am vegan but I don’t support PETA. Animal rights activists and veganism is not interchangeable because not all animal rights activists are vegan . Peter singer isn’t vegan and he cheapens disabled people’s lives. He said that since primates are smarter than some people with severe brain damage so they should be experimented on instead so since I am one of those disabled persons and I found that very offensive like you found black/Jewis lives being cheapened offensive and that should matter because black disabled persons seem to be awarded less rights. a school that still uses electric shocks is predominantly but not exclusively black. So why isn’t the mistreatment of disabled black peoples more of an issue? Or is it?
There are so many leftist beliefs that aren't grounded in reality, practicality, or history, and it's hard to tolerate their little privileged minds using offensive metaphors and committing property damage and civil disobedience while refusing to engage in intelligent discussion. Disclaimer: I'm a micofarmer raising pigs on pasture for sale as pork shares. My pigs are free to roam on 10 acres, munch on the delicious products my silvopasture produces, and get a supplemental balanced feed they try to kill each other for. They have one bad day and they provide an enormous amount of quality nutrition to the local community. I'll debate anyone who thinks that's equivalent to human slavery and genocide.
To me, leftists sounds more and more as if they are possessed by demons. The concept of specieism is absurd at best and this moral equivalency to racism is evil. Carry on.
Couldn't agree more, in fact it's turned me towards God because since the leftists have brought me to believe there's a higher evil power in the world, there must be a counteracting higher force for good and I want that!
👏👏👏👏👏👏 I just want to give Quinn Que a standing ovation for an awesome article that knocks the ball out of the park! I have subscribed to him and am wowed by this outstanding piece! Gee, I wonder why the leadership and membership of vegan and animal rights organizations is predominantly white and gentile? It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact their totally insensitive, tone deaf and exploit their people’s historical suffering for their own agenda could it? I would also bet you a million bucks based on what I’m hearing in the comments, disabled people want nothing to do with the movement by and large either. I’m very much in favor of animal rights, am an animal lover and despise the barbaric practice of industrial farming. But let’s make something perfectly clear to the vegan and animal rights people you DO NOT ever compare factory farming as horrible as it is, to slavery, Jim Crow laws, lynching, or the Holocaust! DO NOT ever trivialize historical events like the Middle Passage, the lynching of Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith, the execution of George Stinney, the blinding of Isaac Woodard, the murder of Emmett Till, the violence and terror inflicted on the black community by the KKK during Reconstruction, the gassings and forced labor at Auschwitz, Treblinka and Buchenwald, Kristallnacht, the murder of Anne Frank and most of her family, or the mass executions of Jews by the Einsatzgruppen!
Do not ever argue a person with severe brain damage is worth less than an animal so experiment on them instead or compare factory farming to Eugenics! I am a disabled person and I am NOT okay with you making arguments like that! I find it highly offensive you using the historical suffering of my community to make your point! Quinn Que absolutely skewers the vegan and animal rights movements here! Hey guys! Did you know people of color are quitting your movement in droves because of racism? Do you know why blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Alaska Natives, and Pacific Islanders want nothing to do with your movement? It’s because when you do things that are offensive to them and they rightly, complain about that you don’t bother to listen to them and you tell them their just not enlightened enough to understand.
Quinn however, goes even further and makes even more excellent points. Why do you steal the credit for discovering as you call them, “superfoods” when they’ve been distant staples for people of color around the world for generations? Gee, I just can’t imagine why Asians, Africans, Arabs, Latinos, and Indigenous peoples around the globe are ticked off at the vegan and animal rights movements? It’s a real head scratcher for sure! Or how about the fact that increased western demand for these foods leads to the exploration of the labor of indigenous farmers in the Global South. The vegan and animal rights movements would rather look cool and edgy than be genuinely persuasive or building alliances to actually achieve something. The vegan and animal rights movements also need to stop ignoring the shocking rise in antisemitism we’re seeing these days all around the world. They also need to acknowledge the disparities in health, wealth, education, and opportunity between whites and blacks, Latinos and Indigenous peoples.
A better way forward for the vegan and animal rights movements is to listen to groups like Black Vegans Rock and embrace Breeze Harper’s concept of “decolonizing the diet.” They need to make room for racial and intellectual diversity within the movement. Lastly, they need to open their ears and LISTEN when they receive criticism from minority and Jewish communities about their rhetoric. Animal rights concerns don’t require using historical atrocities as a selling point. Stop with the shock values and offensive analogies! Center the voices of people of color within your movement. Listen to human as well as animal, concerns. Recognize that food justice is about more than just a simple matter of dietary choice. You need to address the economic and systemic barriers that make healthy food inaccessible to minority groups and poor people. Perhaps the vegan and animal rights movements could for example, back and encourage urban farming for example. I loved this article and appreciated it so much!
Thanks for this, Quinn. What are your thoughts about this African American Vegan Starter Guide (created by Tracye McQuirter of By Any Greens Necessary, in partnership with Farm Sanctuary)? It’s a resource I’ve shared in the past, am interested to know if you think it’s done well, what if any changes you would make… https://meatout.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/AA_VeganStarterGuide.pdf
It is, I think, telling that over the past quarter-century, the percent of people who identify as vegan or vegetarian has held steady in the West - even as the causes the "animal rights" crowd seek to couple to their own continue to expand support. For instance, racism is in full retreat, with fewer and fewer Americans expressing racist views. I think it comes back to the author's point.
I am vegan but I don’t support PETA. Animal rights activists and veganism is not interchangeable because not all animal rights activists are vegan . Peter singer isn’t vegan and he cheapens disabled people’s lives. He said that since primates are smarter than some people with severe brain damage so they should be experimented on instead so since I am one of those disabled persons and I found that very offensive like you found black/Jewis lives being cheapened offensive and that should matter because black disabled persons seem to be awarded less rights. a school that still uses electric shocks is predominantly but not exclusively black. So why isn’t the mistreatment of disabled black peoples more of an issue? Or is it?
I am also a disabled person and wow, that is horrible! They sound like supporters of Eugenics from the 19th and early 20th Centuries there!
Utilitarianism is a tough row to hoe.
Well said. Food for thought.
There are so many leftist beliefs that aren't grounded in reality, practicality, or history, and it's hard to tolerate their little privileged minds using offensive metaphors and committing property damage and civil disobedience while refusing to engage in intelligent discussion. Disclaimer: I'm a micofarmer raising pigs on pasture for sale as pork shares. My pigs are free to roam on 10 acres, munch on the delicious products my silvopasture produces, and get a supplemental balanced feed they try to kill each other for. They have one bad day and they provide an enormous amount of quality nutrition to the local community. I'll debate anyone who thinks that's equivalent to human slavery and genocide.
To me, leftists sounds more and more as if they are possessed by demons. The concept of specieism is absurd at best and this moral equivalency to racism is evil. Carry on.
Couldn't agree more, in fact it's turned me towards God because since the leftists have brought me to believe there's a higher evil power in the world, there must be a counteracting higher force for good and I want that!
👏👏👏👏👏👏 I just want to give Quinn Que a standing ovation for an awesome article that knocks the ball out of the park! I have subscribed to him and am wowed by this outstanding piece! Gee, I wonder why the leadership and membership of vegan and animal rights organizations is predominantly white and gentile? It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact their totally insensitive, tone deaf and exploit their people’s historical suffering for their own agenda could it? I would also bet you a million bucks based on what I’m hearing in the comments, disabled people want nothing to do with the movement by and large either. I’m very much in favor of animal rights, am an animal lover and despise the barbaric practice of industrial farming. But let’s make something perfectly clear to the vegan and animal rights people you DO NOT ever compare factory farming as horrible as it is, to slavery, Jim Crow laws, lynching, or the Holocaust! DO NOT ever trivialize historical events like the Middle Passage, the lynching of Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith, the execution of George Stinney, the blinding of Isaac Woodard, the murder of Emmett Till, the violence and terror inflicted on the black community by the KKK during Reconstruction, the gassings and forced labor at Auschwitz, Treblinka and Buchenwald, Kristallnacht, the murder of Anne Frank and most of her family, or the mass executions of Jews by the Einsatzgruppen!
Do not ever argue a person with severe brain damage is worth less than an animal so experiment on them instead or compare factory farming to Eugenics! I am a disabled person and I am NOT okay with you making arguments like that! I find it highly offensive you using the historical suffering of my community to make your point! Quinn Que absolutely skewers the vegan and animal rights movements here! Hey guys! Did you know people of color are quitting your movement in droves because of racism? Do you know why blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Alaska Natives, and Pacific Islanders want nothing to do with your movement? It’s because when you do things that are offensive to them and they rightly, complain about that you don’t bother to listen to them and you tell them their just not enlightened enough to understand.
Quinn however, goes even further and makes even more excellent points. Why do you steal the credit for discovering as you call them, “superfoods” when they’ve been distant staples for people of color around the world for generations? Gee, I just can’t imagine why Asians, Africans, Arabs, Latinos, and Indigenous peoples around the globe are ticked off at the vegan and animal rights movements? It’s a real head scratcher for sure! Or how about the fact that increased western demand for these foods leads to the exploration of the labor of indigenous farmers in the Global South. The vegan and animal rights movements would rather look cool and edgy than be genuinely persuasive or building alliances to actually achieve something. The vegan and animal rights movements also need to stop ignoring the shocking rise in antisemitism we’re seeing these days all around the world. They also need to acknowledge the disparities in health, wealth, education, and opportunity between whites and blacks, Latinos and Indigenous peoples.
A better way forward for the vegan and animal rights movements is to listen to groups like Black Vegans Rock and embrace Breeze Harper’s concept of “decolonizing the diet.” They need to make room for racial and intellectual diversity within the movement. Lastly, they need to open their ears and LISTEN when they receive criticism from minority and Jewish communities about their rhetoric. Animal rights concerns don’t require using historical atrocities as a selling point. Stop with the shock values and offensive analogies! Center the voices of people of color within your movement. Listen to human as well as animal, concerns. Recognize that food justice is about more than just a simple matter of dietary choice. You need to address the economic and systemic barriers that make healthy food inaccessible to minority groups and poor people. Perhaps the vegan and animal rights movements could for example, back and encourage urban farming for example. I loved this article and appreciated it so much!
Hilarious! Thanks for the comic relief.
Thanks for this, Quinn. What are your thoughts about this African American Vegan Starter Guide (created by Tracye McQuirter of By Any Greens Necessary, in partnership with Farm Sanctuary)? It’s a resource I’ve shared in the past, am interested to know if you think it’s done well, what if any changes you would make… https://meatout.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/AA_VeganStarterGuide.pdf
It is, I think, telling that over the past quarter-century, the percent of people who identify as vegan or vegetarian has held steady in the West - even as the causes the "animal rights" crowd seek to couple to their own continue to expand support. For instance, racism is in full retreat, with fewer and fewer Americans expressing racist views. I think it comes back to the author's point.